LIE-ENTj Relationships

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Relational orientation

LIEs "feel drawn towards associations of deep emotional connection, where personal and private experiences can be shared easily in an atmosphere of mutual trust." That is the type page's own sentence, and it is the first thing to know about this architecture, because it is very nearly the opposite of the type's reputation.

The structural reason sits in one position. Introverted Ethics (Fi) is LIE's suggestive function — the channel a type values, cannot generate for itself, and is drawn toward in other people. What that channel would report is the standing of a particular bond: what it currently is, what it can be relied on for, where a person stands in it. An LIE wants that reading and is poorly equipped to produce it unaided, and the type page states the consequence without softening: LIEs "are often proactive in engaging others, but are rarely confident of their ability to correctly evaluate the existence or status of intimacy or closeness." Vera Stratiyevskaya's version is that this type needs somebody who genuinely understands the specifics of relationships and can supply an account of them, because working it out unaided is very hard.

The half the reputation does see is real, and it is the programme rather than the whole. Extroverted Logic (Te) leads: activity, projects, what actually works. The type page records a restlessness that sets in whenever an LIE cannot get on with something of its own, and the EJ temperament keeps the schedule full. A leading function and a suggestive function are not in competition with each other — that is simply the shape of an architecture, and reading the second as evidence against the first is the error this page exists to correct.

Contact itself is easy. Viktor Gulenko records a type that keeps a short conversational distance and engages readily with anyone who interests it; Stratiyevskaya turns the same observation into a two-sided rule — distrustful at a distance, and at close range trusting to a fault. Nothing about the approach is guarded. What is unreliable is the assessment of what the approach has produced.

Gulenko's scheme of erotic attitudes divides the sixteen according to which irrational element they carry in the Ego, and LIE sits with the Victim four, the Introverted Intuition (Ni) types. This label needs more care than the others, because it is the one most likely to be read as describing a person rather than a structure. It is not. It is shorthand for which element runs the type's romantic conduct, one of four such labels; it makes no claim that anybody has been harmed, and the everyday sense of the word has no application here. The scheme is also Gulenko's rather than the field's: Valentina Meged and Aleksandr Bukalov have written on the same subject by quadra instead.

Closeness and trust

What the type characteristically offers is logistics as devotion, and it should not be read as a substitute for anything. Stratiyevskaya's account of this type in a forming relationship contains the best single observation available on it: an LIE gladly takes on all the practical initiative — finding the way round an obstacle, covering whatever distance is involved — specifically so that the other person meets no difficulty and no inconvenience. The type page says the same thing from further off, recording a type that "may go to great lengths to fulfill others' needs when interacting with individuals with whom they share kinship and respect", on the view that actions carry more than statements do. For this architecture that is the statement.

Trust is close to binary at the threshold and close to total after it. Stratiyevskaya describes a type very distrustful at a distance and very trusting — excessively so — at close range, and is unambiguous that to betray an LIE's confidence is to lose the friendship for good. The type page supplies the reason it matters that much: this is a type that takes its own feelings and other people's seriously, and that puts a great deal of weight on its personal integrity.

What the type takes in from intimates is an unambiguous account of where things stand. The type page states it as a requirement rather than a preference — LIEs "require sustained and unambiguous discussions of feelings in order to feel secure about their relations", and are "best complemented by others who take it upon themselves to establish and unambiguously reinforce the sense of intimacy." The mobilizing function asks for something adjacent and simpler: an appreciation, the same page notes, of steadfast people who will push and encourage and hold a type to things it is otherwise slow to finish.

The approach is not confident, which is the fact the reputation obscures most completely. The type page records LIEs who "may be somewhat shy in establishing close friendships, and may expect others to initiate a sense of emotional connection". Stratiyevskaya is blunter, describing a type that reads its own standing poorly, does not feel sure it can be liked, and — she says so directly — is badly wrong about that. Read structurally rather than as a mood, it is what a weak instrument produces when it is turned on its owner.

The same weak instrument produces a deliberate caution about using it. The type page notes real difficulty in judging character, or in working out what behaviour to expect from somebody, and Stratiyevskaya records a type that dislikes making acquaintances blindly and dislikes having them pressed on it. That is not aloofness. It is a person who knows which of their gauges is unreliable.

Friction patterns

The strain in a shared life is real, and it is not the one the type is charged with. Model A puts Introverted Sensing (Si) in this architecture's weakest slot, and what goes under-tended in consequence is the physical texture of living: rest, pace, upkeep, the body. The type page is unsparing — LIEs "often do not pay much attention to their physical well-being, considering the care of their bodies mostly as a nuisance", may fall into overworking themselves as a way of life, and grow listless and bored by the simple act of relaxing. The order of that matters more than the content. An LIE neglects its own rest first, and by a wide margin; somebody close is generally the first to notice rather than the first to suffer. Stratiyevskaya adds the part that makes it structural rather than wilful: enforced inaction is where this type is most uneasy, not least. And the same relation to time is why an LIE will do something about a difficulty instead of sitting with it — a type that will not stop is also a type that will drive four hours to fix a thing, and the devotion described above and the neglected weekend are one appetite wearing two faces.

What strains this type from outside is emotional weather aimed at it. The type page records a stiffness that arrives whenever loud or intense emotional participation is what a situation expects; Stratiyevskaya is more specific and considerably more sympathetic than the summary version — hostility, tears, a quarrel being provoked, all of it frightens and briefly paralyses a person who is otherwise alert to everything, and emotional pressure gets endured the way weather is endured, waited out with the shoulders set. The half that must travel with that is in the same passage of the same source. She describes this type as amicable and well-wishing, unwilling to cause offence even by accident, and an LIE who has realized it genuinely hurt somebody as circling them, watching their face, ready to concede anything at all to get them out of it. The paralysis and the circling are the same person in the same hour, and a reader who takes only the first has been handed half a type.

Being hindered is its own strain. The type page notes a standing need "to maintain a sense of autonomy and control over some aspects of their environment", and that LIEs "dislike it intensely when they are hindered by factors outside of their control"; Gulenko records the pressing version from outside, a type that can lean on people and demand things of them. The autonomy is claimed and granted on identical terms, though. Stratiyevskaya's note that an LIE should not be nagged has a symmetrical half worth saying out loud: it does not nag either, and dissatisfaction from this architecture arrives as a stated position rather than as a change in the temperature.

One friction has a cause most people would not guess. Stratiyevskaya records a type that will not flatly refuse a request it already knows to be impracticable, because it does not want to cause the asker offence — so undertakings accumulate that were never going to be met. The refusal does not arrive because the type is thinking about how the refusal would land.

And the prickliness, which is worth reading structurally rather than as temperament. Stratiyevskaya describes an LIE putting out spines at a distance for no visible reason, calling itself a lone wolf, and traces it to an unsteady sense of its own standing rather than to any hostility. The type page's neighbouring claim is that LIEs "can be rather opinionated and contentious towards the ideas of others" — about the ideas, which is a distinction invisible from outside and worth a sentence.

Communication in close relationships

With intimates an LIE is direct and quick, and expects the same coming back. The type page describes a type that has "a rather direct and formal style of interacting and communicating", values "clear and unambiguous communication", and looks for the same degree of clarity from the other side. Little is implied, and almost nothing is meant to be inferred.

The exception is the joking, and knowing what it is doing is probably the most useful decoding rule available for this type. Gulenko records humour that is sly and ironic and deliberately ambiguous, built so it can be taken more than one way; Stratiyevskaya supplies the function without treating it as a fault, observing that under the mask of the cheerful joker this type frequently conceals what it is actually going through. Somebody close who has learned to hear the second thing under the first is hearing correctly.

The role position accounts for the rest, and it accounts for the thing most often misread. Extroverted Ethics (Fe) sits third, so warmth is produced deliberately and does not last long: the type page says efforts at a positive emotional environment are "normally low-key and of short duration", that LIEs "most typically come off as polite but relatively unengaging emotionally", and that it is "often difficult for them to spontaneously display strong emotions." A role function is a channel that runs on effort and returns a conventional result, and tires. That is a description of an output, not of a feeling.

What does not arrive is a position conveyed by tone or left to be inferred. This is the suggestive channel from the earlier section showing up as a practical rule: sustained and explicit statements of where a relationship stands are what this architecture can act on, and they do not become redundant with time. What actively fails is pressure. Stratiyevskaya's observation is that reproach and nagging produce nothing here and damage a relation past easy mending — the channel that reaches this type is the stated one, and the channel that does not is the applied one.

Compatibility at a glance

This grid orders the type's relation to each of the sixteen types by the category classical intertype theory assigns it, running from the most complementary relations to the most difficult. The ordering reflects those categories rather than anything about two particular people, and while the categories themselves are close to universally accepted within socionics, their confirmation in real populations is thin. What each relation is held to involve — Duality, Conflict, Supervision and the rest — is set out on the intertype relationships reference.

Limitations and further reading

Socionics relationship description is a theoretical framework, not a predictive instrument. The tendencies above are derived from LIE-ENTj's information metabolism; individual LIEs vary considerably, and personal history, circumstance, and what each person has already learned about closeness bear on any actual relationship far more than type-level tendency can.

The page has rested on one position, and that position reads as a defect report unless it is placed. Fi in the fifth slot is an opening rather than a fault: every one of the sixteen types has a suggestive function, the whole architecture is organized around being met there, and being unreliable at generating a reading of where a bond stands is a different condition entirely from not minding what the reading would say.

Intertype theory is contested in one specific way that is worth naming here. The relation categories originate with Aušra Augustinavičiūtė's Theory of Intertype Relations (1980) and are close to universally accepted within socionics; their confirmation in real populations is thin. Nothing in the ordering above establishes how any particular relationship will go.

The limit underneath that one is broader. Socionics has produced extensive theoretical description of how types behave in close relationships and very little empirical study of it — what exists is portraiture by named theorists and material compiled from observation, reasoned from the function positions. This page reasons the same way, from Model A and from the descriptive corpus, with the descriptive claims attributed where an author is known. What type-level tendency describes is a recurring shape and its recurring costs; what happens between two particular people it does not describe at all.

Further reading.


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